Patch Save - Random values on recall

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Zonbizoku
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Patch Save - Random values on recall

Just wondering if anyone else is having this strange behaviour.

1. I save a big meaty, solid bass patch to a new location (say location 70).

2. Revist that new patch location and it sounds all high pitched, weedy and 'choked' - I'm asuming values in the patch have changed (LFO1 shape, Coarse range)?

3. I click back and forth to the patch's neighbour and back (70>71>70) and the sound changes every time untill after about 4-5 times it settles and sounds like the originally saved patch.

The weird thing is that this only happens on certain patchs and I'm pretty sure only on those which are edited from factory presets.

It's always recognisably the same patch i saved in general, but like it been squezzed through a band pass filter at different frequencies. 

 

Any one have any clues?

Is there a particular part of the BSII's analogue architecture which is unstable in saved patches?

Cheers for any help! 

kingjdub1978
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I have saved several presets that started from a factory preset, and I have not experienced this yet.  I have only saved to the blank slots so far and have not overwritten any of the factory presets.

Zonbizoku
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Hmmm.

Update.

I looked a liitle further into it and I'm pretty sure the few patches that are doing this were all started by editing factory preset number 1 (the second preset, not the first which is 0).

Just being experimenting and even that actual preset itself changes slightly when you revisit it. (you notice it more if you play a key in the 2nd octave while switching.)

You have to click back and forth a few times, but you can hear the timbre changing.

I've reset the factory presets from the download on novation's site and patch number 1 still does this, so it must be something inherient in this patch that i don't understand and have made far more obvious by my tweaks in my edited versions?

Curiouser and curiouser!

 

Jay Bits
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I don't have this problem either. did you check the aftertouch and velocity options? maybe thats where your random changes come from? or maybe you just have an lfo in random mode?

Cyphers
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Jay Bits wrote:

I don't have this problem either. did you check the aftertouch and velocity options? maybe thats where your random changes come from? or maybe you just have an lfo in random mode?

Yep, I was thinking that too, I don't have this problem either

 

 

Zonbizoku
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Thanks for your replies guys.

I've tried reseting all function key commands inncluding aftertouch and velocity to '0' or 'OFF" and saving and these patches still act the same for me.

Like i say, pretty sure it only happens on patches which started off as edits of factory preset no 1.

I made a pretty similar sounding patch from scratch yesterday and it's stable as you like. Sounds exactly the same each time i call it up.

The mystery continues...

May just have to delete the offending patches and move on before it drives me insane.

 

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I'm experiencing a similar problem. I edited a patch (can't remember if it was from scratch or based on a preset) by assigning pitch of OSC 2 to change with the mod wheel. I set a value of 49, which gives about an octave above the note, and save the patch. Then on recall, the tuning when I use the mod wheel does not go to the maximum set note, although the value stays the same.

In other words, I set the mod wheel to play an octave above, and say that value is 49. Then on recall, the display shows a value of 49 , but the note I hear is not an octave, but a random note, sometimes lower, sometimes higher, and sometimes to the intented pitch - it's almost like the oscillator doesn't respond to the value that's being assigned.

I wonder if any of you can try this:

Open any patch, hit the function key, touch the Osc 2 Pitch key (low D#), set the value to maximum, I believe is 63. Confirm that what you get is an upward pitch bend up, and listen to the higher note it plays when the mod wheel is all the way up. Save. Then change patches and come back. Check again what note is played when setting the mod wheel all the way up. . .

 

Thanks

Lefty007
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Update. There is nothing wrong with the synth. What I needed to do was to turn Key Sync "on" and that solved the problem.

Lefty007 wrote:

I'm experiencing a similar problem. I edited a patch (can't remember if it was from scratch or based on a preset) by assigning pitch of OSC 2 to change with the mod wheel. I set a value of 49, which gives about an octave above the note, and save the patch. Then on recall, the tuning when I use the mod wheel does not go to the maximum set note, although the value stays the same.In other words, I set the mod wheel to play an octave above, and say that value is 49. Then on recall, the display shows a value of 49 , but the note I hear is not an octave, but a random note, sometimes lower, sometimes higher, and sometimes to the intented pitch - it's almost like the oscillator doesn't respond to the value that's being assigned.I wonder if any of you can try this:Open any patch, hit the function key, touch the Osc 2 Pitch key (low D#), set the value to maximum, I believe is 63. Confirm that what you get is an upward pitch bend up, and listen to the higher note it plays when the mod wheel is all the way up. Save. Then change patches and come back. Check again what note is played when setting the mod wheel all the way up. . . Thanks

mikenovation
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Hi, 

Please contact novation support for further assistance on this issue. 

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Best Regards,