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Recording midi CC into Logic X

Hi All,

I can get CC data to control the cutoff from Logic using the step editor or Piano roll but I am having problems sweeping the cutoff on the BS and recording this data into Logic?

Seems to only work the one way Logic X > BS

RyGuy
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hi, i use logic with the bass station 2 as well. i think it is just a matter of assigning the smart controls to midi learn the filter cut off ( i dont think it automaps anything for the bass station 2)

skijumptoes
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Make sure you set the Automation mode for the track you wish to record CC data into.

i.e. Write/Touch/Latch.   See here:http://www.askaudiomag.com/articles/quick-tip-logics-automation-modes-ex...

Also, it's worth note that automation in Logic is written even when you've NOT pressed the record button - So be sure to set the mode back to 'read' when you're done.

Moulin-Rouge
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Hi,  I'm trying this too.  I really don't think I have it setup properly.  Can some one correct me if this is wrong:

  • Bass station 2 plugged in via usb to mac mini
  • Audio output of BS2 going into my audio interface
  • Open empty project in Logic Pro X and choose software instrument
  • From list choose "external instrument"
  • Now I can hear and play BS2
  • Record some midi
  • change mode to touch
  • record automation i.e. filter cutoff by moving it on BS2

It seems to record but in the region there are now little bars instead of the midi data.  If I click on the region to open in piano roll I think I did something to be able to view the automation but if I try and change it, all the midi data dissapears???

I have also tried to add the BS2 as a midi instrument and then made an audio track which also lets me play the BS2 but again I'm stuck on how to do/edit automation.

 

If anyone has a quick step by step guide it would be amazing.  I feel like I'm just missing a step or not pressing something that I should.

Thanks

 

skijumptoes
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Ok, then the automation is being recorded as standard midi cc messages, you can convert them to automation after you've recorded by using the options in the Mix menu.

However, i had this problem with my Mininova - It has a plugin to compliment the synth, which is great as it labels up all the automation, so when you have the plugin running automation just works as per a soft synth.  However, the plugin also caused a few problems, so i had to run without it.  As there was no longer the correct references as to what cc messages controlled which parameter the options in the Mix menu were pretty useless - Which you will probably find in your case too.

If it plays back the automation then don't be too concerned about it, to edit automation in this way, double click on the clip (Or whatever you do to get the piano roll up for that section).

And then click the 'Midi Draw' button (Blue on the first image attached), and then use the 'arrowy' button (2nd image) to swap between the recorded automation.

You don't need to use the automation modes (touch/latch etc.) when recording like this, as it's standard midi cc messages that your manipulating.

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Hi,

 

Thanks for the response.  I kind of sussed it with what you said and by a happy aqccident but I'm still not sure if I'm doing it "correctly".  I did everything again and I could find the automation but I still couldn't see where the midi notes had dissapeared to.

 

Anyway I accidently moved the region and found that the automation was on top (like another block) mwhich looked like lots of little bars, and I could move this and the midi region was underneath.

I then clicked the instrument track and chose new midi external instrument track and dragged the automation data to that.  I can now see both but this still seems like a work around compared to how normal automation seems to work where you can just see it in the automation lane.  

I then made a new another new midi track and I could automate a different parameter.  I've attached an image so it might make more sense.  Let me know if I'm doing unnessesary work here :-) 

Thanks again for the response, appreciate it.

Moulin-Rouge
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Slight update.  I found it easier to record my midi until I was happy, then add a new midi instrument track (which seems to be linked to the first one) and then just record the automation in that one.  Then if I wanted to do it again for something else I would repeat the process.  When I'm done I suppose I can just bounce it all to audio and delete the original midi tracks so I can start the process again and add some different sounds.

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Ah ok, i see, yes you're hitting the joys of Logic and it's slightly quirky ways of merging regions - I've used it for years but Logic still throws me out when it overwrites regions when i want  it to overdub.

What i tend to do, and this may not work for you is.

1. Set my project recording settings to 'Create Tracks when Cycling'

2. Set up a midi track and record into it - Each cycle will create a new track.

3. When finished i select all the tracks and right click and select 'Create Track Stack' (Shift+Cmd+D) and it will put them into a nice folder that i can solo/mute in one go, and collapse to gain more screen space.  (Usually select the summing folder type).

4. If i need to add a track to the folder, i highlight an existing one and go to the track menu and select 'New track with same channel' - If you duplicate a track it creates another instances of your instrument so you need to use this option to keep things tidy.

Good thing about doing it this way is that you can disable/hide the original midi track in your project once you've bounced the audio - So you still retain the performance data in a collapsed folder.  But go on to create some new tracks with the BS2.

 

Attached some images in case you've never used Track stacks before:

Moulin-Rouge
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That's really helpful. I'll try that when I get home. Looks like a much easier work flow. Thanks for the pics as well!

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This is helpful.   I was wondering if there was a way for the midi data to be recorded directly as track automation instead of region automation?