Thinking of buying a BSII but need to confirm before I buy

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tholt2
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Thinking of buying a BSII but need to confirm before I buy

 

I'm considering purchasing a BSII to use with logic X.


I hate using soft synths and want a good analogue at a reasonable price that also has some digital compatibility.


I'm a noob when it comes to this, but having read similar questions on the forum I do think the answers are yes but would like confirmation before my purchase.

If I record 3 separate midi tracks from BSII into logic, say for bass, lead and effects, on playback will I be able to hear all three tracks played simultaneously?
Or are you restricted to one midi track and one type of sound? Can I then automate each track using the knobs etc on the BSII?
Basically I want to record as midi rather than audio to allow further editing possibilities in my DAW.

On an unrelated note - in the same project, would I then be able to use the BSII as a midi controller for VSTs?

Sorry my questions sound stupid, but I would really like to have these answered before paying for a BSII. The last thing I want is to spend £400 on something that does not meet my expectations.
Thanks in advance.

haudelukas
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Hi

i am not the most experienced synth freak either. but i have tried and listened to many of them. and i definitely bought the right one. you will not regret it.

Yes, you can use the bass station II as a midi controllor, most of the knobs, faders etc. send midi data.

a monosynth like the bass station can only synthesize one voice at a time. you can offcourse record the midi track + corresponding audio track and replay them at the same time as 20 other midi/audio tracks produced by the bsII and then change the midi track in real time and record it again and again. and you can do this with as many midi/audio tracks as your computer can handle.

but the bass station can only produce/synthesize one voice at once.

somebody else maybe able to explain more clearly.

to put it simple: buy it. you will love it.

skijumptoes
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As Haudelukas says, BS2 is not multi-timbral, meaning that only one patch/sound can be output at any one time so you have to mix down your audio and move on to the next track, to go multi-timbral you're looking at much more expensive gear.

For me, using live instruments, synths etc. i actually get better results when i remove midi from the equation and start playing live and taking out the best bits from a live performance - Audio only, i think that's something soft synths do not always encourage you to do, and things become very clinical as a result.

How many times do you record a midi track and go back in, quantize it, and clean up automation envelops etc. before you've actually listened to it without automatically doing these things.  If you go straight in with the audio you keep all that live sound intact, very much like a guitarist would record.  And if you can't see mis-aligned notes on a piano roll, you'll be surprised how right and fluid it can sound despite notes not hitting the mark. 

So yes, it can be a pain having to bounce down to audio, and soft synths will always win the 'easy' battle.  But i recommend to anyone using outboard gear like the BS2, to load up their daw without midi tracks and just record straight into audio tracks, and be amazed at how much fun and more ideas come to you that way..  You can always go back later and clean up intricate parts with midi etc.  Harness the power of hardware! :)

Anyway, For the price i think anything like the mininova or BS2 is a great way of getting more hands on and out of that 'in the box' style of producing music.  In terms of meeting expectations, well, the more you put in the more you get out, i can lose hours with sound design - Not because i can't find the right sound, it's just really enjoyable and inspiring when you've got a box in front of you with bits to tweak! :)

tholt2
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Thanks guys.

I do like the idea of working with audio files as opposed to midi. It's just that I'm a guitar player and sometimes my keyboard skliis let me down so have to record as midi and then edit/quantise etc

magikroom
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tholt2 wrote:

Thanks guys.I do like the idea of working with audio files as opposed to midi. It's just that I'm a guitar player and sometimes my keyboard skliis let me down so have to record as midi and then edit/quantise etc

Yes, you can still record it as a MIDI track, quantise etc, then set up an audio track to record the  AUDIO output of the BS2 into Logic, it's how I do it with all my external synths