Impulse 61 Key sustaining sound when I press transpose and play notes at the same time

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lang
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Impulse 61 Key sustaining sound when I press transpose and play notes at the same time

Hi I was wondering if anyone is getting this problem i am experiencing.

As the subject says....Impulse 61 Key sustaining sound when I press transpose and play notes at the same time.

So if I play 1 note or a chord and have my hands on the keys and press the transpose button at the same time (either higher or lower) once I take my hands off the keybed the last note(s) remain sustained.  I have to now go find the notes i played and press them over to have them stop sounding.

This problem happens with or without the sustain pedal connected.

I am using the latest Automap update 4.8 and my Impulse upgraded fine.

I am using the latest Logic pro 9 and Mainstage 2.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

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Midi sends a note on message when you press a key, and a note off when you release it, when you transpose it's causing the note value being sent for note off to be different, hence the key staying on - This is totally normal behaviour for midi controllers in my experience.

To achieve what you're trying to do you need a sustain pedal (Can get them dirt cheap on amazon etc.) , so you play the chords, dump the pedal down, and then release the notes, they will continue playing, then you transpose, and release the pedal just before you play the new chords.  Does that make sense?

You can get much more expressive with a sustain pedal too if you've not already got one, absolute must for most keyboard players.

lang
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[quote=skijumptoes]

Midi sends a note on message when you press a key, and a note off when you release it, when you transpose it's causing the note value being sent for note off to be different, hence the key staying on - This is totally normal behaviour for midi controllers in my experience.To achieve what you're trying to do you need a sustain pedal (Can get them dirt cheap on amazon etc.) , so you play the chords, dump the pedal down, and then release the notes, they will continue playing, then you transpose, and release the pedal just before you play the new chords.  Does that make sense?You can get much more expressive with a sustain pedal too if you've not already got one, absolute must for most keyboard players.

 

Hi skijumptoes,

 thanks for your reply.  

I do have an  m-audio pedal and use it all the time but I realized this problem only recently with the notes sustaining (without me pressing the pedal) and hitting the transpose button. 

Somehow it only seemed to appear with this latest firmware upgrade (automap 4.8) so hence I was asking the question to impulse users. 

I understand your point of view on the whole midi on and off,  it sounds very logical but there must be a fix for this? This wasn't happening before...... 

 

 

 

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Hi Mate,  Just checked myself and it's not doing it for me, so apologies for leading you astray - glad you posted back questioning it, i have some old (relics!) synths that i use as controllers and they are like this which confused me.

I tested with my Novation keyboard and it definetly does not react like that so it sounds like a possible bug with the firmware like you've suspected.

I have just looked on the novation beta pages (http://beta.novationmusic.com) and it looks like this was an issue and was fixed with Automap 4.8b1 (693 firmware) - attached screenshot.

So, if you're not up to this verson go to the beta site and grab that update and you'll be sorted i hope. In fact, it's probably worth getting 4.8b3, as i'm sure that will contain the firmware you need with 4.8b1 and is the latest version available, it's what i'm running on osx and it's solid.

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Hey skijumptoes thanks for the information! 

I'll try downloading the beta version and see if that resolves my issue... I'll update soon.

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Hi sorry for the delayed response skijunptoes. I downloaded the beta version Automap 4.8b1 and installed it.

I didn't see the controller update it's firmware but the Automap 4.8b1 was installed.

The problem is still there. No resolution. 

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Ah ok, looks like it didn't get the firmware update then, strange.

You ok to do it manually as per the instructions? :-

http://global.novationmusic.com/answerbase/what-to-do-if-a-impulse-firmw...

Trouble is, i've just looked and can't find the firmware (693) that you require, it appears that they've not put the file up as a seperate download. i've emailed Novation to see if they will place it online for you.

Actually, to be sure could you check which firmware your impulse is using?  Just re-read your original post and you said it updated the firmware with the 4.8 automap install, it may already have OS 693..... If it has then you may have a fault?

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Lang - The Sysex file for Impulse firmware version 693 is here:-

http://getpatched.co.uk/downloads/Impulse%20693.syx

 

if you download it and then use the instructions which i posted a link to, hopefully it will sort you out.

http://global.novationmusic.com/answerbase/what-to-do-if-a-impulse-firmw...

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Hi.  OK so I checked my firmware and it has 693 firmware. I still went ahead and did another 693 firmware update.  It completed ok.  Tried and I still get the problem.  I Even tried using garage band only without running automap and I still get the problem so I know it's not a mainstage problem our logic pro. 

Any other ideas or procedures to try?  

Thanks for your help.. 

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Honestly, the only other thing i can think of trying is to factory reset your impulse:-

http://uk.novationmusic.com/answerbase/how-do-i-reset-the-impulse-to-fac...

Depends if you've got any custom settings on there that you don't want to lose though.  I imagine you need to contact Novation/Focusrite support as it's either an unknown bug still, or you have some kind of fault.

lang
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I did a factory reset already and the problem still remained.

Guess i'll have to wait for a novation support on this. 

Thanks a mil for all your assistance!

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Hi Lang, please contact novation support for further assistance:

http://us.novationmusic.com/answerbase/contact

If you have a case number please reply to this forum so we can help you get sorted.

Thanks,

 

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Hi,
so I was doing some troubleshooting and this is what I found.
 
The problem is definitely a firmware problem. 
 
I experience the problem with firmware ver 693. 
 
I downloaded firmware version Impulse-1.0.682.syx and used SysEx Librarian program to downgrade the Impulse.
The sustain problem is fixed with that firmware!!!! No sustaining problem!!!!
 
Automap 4.8 is automatically upgrading the Impules back to ver 693 so the problem returns.
 
I will have to wait for novation to release a fix for this problem. Hopefully this will be soon cause this problem is really killing me.

 

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Lang, you could install Automap 4.7b3 from here:- http://beta.novationmusic.com/releases/automap/

That's prior to the 693 firmware being added (in 4.8), if you're using Logic 9 (not X) you should be fine too.  As it looks like a firmware fix you may be waiting some time before it's resolved, but running 4.7b3 and the firmware you found should see you well until then.

lang
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Hi , i'll try it and post if I was successful or not! Thanks

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There is another way around of course, you could change the sysex file in the 4.8 application package to be the one you've downloaded - not sure if it will keep bugging you to update though, as there's probably a check hardcoded in automap software.  But if you get really stuck it's an option to try.

Just name your downloaded file OS.syx and replace it as per the pics:

Contents/Resources/OS Update/Impulse/OS.syx

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I installed 4.7b3 and the sustain problem is gone!  I'll be staying with this release until novation comes out with a fix.  Thanks alot for all the help!  

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Hi Lang,

Please contact the Novation support team. The latest is Impulse version 695 or so which isn't yet officially released which addresses this exact issue.

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On my Impulse 61, the higher MIDI Channels (9-16) do not send Note Off command.

I am currently using Automap 4.7.0. Don't know what the firmware is on the Impulse.

This affects sounds in NI Kotakt, e.g.:
Trumpet: the triggered sound ends after 6 seconds.
Band Drums: the drum loop will not stop at all (I can mouse click on another note and it will stop).

For comparison, when I plug in another keyboard and use the same high channel, releasing the key stops the drum loop.

This issue does not happen when Impulse 61 sends MIDI info to the lower 8 channels.

Should I try and downgrade the Automap? Or the firmware?

 

Also, this happens in Aria software, on any high numbered channel (9-16). It's not the DAW, it's the keyboard.

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Hi There, it's an issue with the impulse which was supposedly fixed in firmware update 693 which can with automap 4.8.  

Go to http://beta.novationmusic.com/ and download the latest automap (Think it's 4.9 now?) and the firmware update will be included.

If that doesn't work, then you may need to manually update the firmware on your impulse and use an older version of automap - if that's the case i would contact Novation if the 4.9 automap doesn't fix your problem.

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Somewhere I heard the M-Audio SP-2 is the best unit to use for sustain pedal with the Impulse 61. What Foot Controller would you recommend?

I have tried Yamaha FC-7 to no avail.

Ammo