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maax555
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Noisy Black Keys

Hi All, just purchased the keyboard and found it to have very noisy black keys.

The white keys are fine and you can feel and hear they have dampening on them.

The same is not true of the black and they vibrate through the whole keyboard.

If i rest the keyboard on a quilt the noise is dampened to the same level as the white.

So the noise seems to be travelling through the chassis and the bottom of the keyboard is then vibrating and cause 

much unwanted noise.

I tried to put some towels and foam under the keyboard but does not have the same effect as putting on the quilt.

I cant unfortuanetly put a quilt under the keyboard as its on a slide out shelf with very little clearance.

 

Has anyine else got this same problem?

Thanks

 

skijumptoes
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Mine is fine, but i have it on a stand which sits on rubberised... urm... 'bits'. :)

Just sat it on a table and i can see/hear slightly what you mean, the blacks are quite a different action and do vibrate slightly more on mine too.  Honestly, never noticed it before.  Well.. Actually, thinking about it, when i first got my SL i noticed an immediate improvement with finger drumming, especially on the cymbals/hats (Which are all blacks) - That they had more of a 'hit' to them.  I suppose, that can be seen as a negative or positive depending on your requirements.

Honestly, they are great keyboards, even if they don't look the greatest compared to newer models - They perfom well, and the keybed plays the same from top to bottom, black to white (In terms of velocity etc), some controllers i've had are not consistent for more precise playing.  But boy would i like to see this looking more modern like the impulse (Although that lacks the features of the SL) - They're not hugely inspiring to look at!

Are you having a bit of buyers remorse after getting it?  i.e. are the vibrations an issue? (Such as you have other people to consider where you play?) ..or is it just bugging you as you've noticed it?

If you hold your finger on a white key and slide it off towards the front of the keyboard, it definetly has a more springy/padded return to it compared to the blacks... But it could just be to do with the difference in how long the whites are.

One thing - has yours got the rubber feet on the bottom?  If you stick with the keyboard then it may be worth getting some larger padded ones which will absorb the vibrations you're getting?

maax555
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Hi, the problem for me is that this is in the bedroom. I usually have the volume low enough so as not to disturb others in the house but to eliminate the noise i have to crank the volume up so much that it does disturb others in the house, specially on the same floor.

Also when the missus is watch stuff on the bedroom tv i would tend to stick my headphones on. The noise from the keyboard means i cant use this while anyone is ion the room as its too noisy and irritating.

The noise is on the actual hit, that is when the key hits down and not the release (i think thats right but i will check as it may well be the release).

I have informaed the shop and they have said they will get me another one in this weekend and I can take mine in and compare.

If its the same i dont think i can live with it. I may upload a short video to show the problem if i can as i see there is an upload button on this page.

I may go for the Nektar Panorama 1. although i am not so taken by its look as it looks very plasticky. the only nice thing looks to be the keys and the screen.

They have apparently updated thier software to work with Cubase very well now.

the unusable xy touch pad and drum pads really are annoying also. 

I would have simply assigned the pads as short cut buttons as i have other pads but they are so hard to push and the feel is terrible.

Same with the XY pad. To get a response i have to push so hard i feel like i am gioing to damage it.

 

 

 

 

 

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skijumptoes
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Ok, yes, i understand - It's very subjective as you may hit the keys a lot harder than me.  Let's hope you have some kind of faulty buit keyboard, but hitting my keys now i can see what problem you could have if you're hitting them with some 'gusto', i would say that the blacks are at least twice as louder than the whites and it's more of a solid thud.  Thing is, i don't know if you will get such a good quality key action without some kind of noise there.  Saying that, The casing is a bit cheap on the SL though, so any vibrations will cause it to rattle no doubt.

I tend to have the velocity setting set to 'loud' on my SL so i don't have to hit them very hard...  Have you tried changing the velocity curves on yours and seeing if that helps?

Pads and X-Y there's no defending those - Honestly, i don't know how those features made it out the doors to so many customers, and remain to be sold in their current state, it should've been rectified.  The pads have caused me no end of problems when i tried to use them - Notes jamming, pads not triggering, to close to the bottom rotaries etc.  The X-Y Pad, when i got it i had ideas of using the pad like a kaossilator with a piece of software available that works on any trackpad... But that dream soon fell out of the tree when i realised that it doesn't actually respond to anything less than domestic violence! ;)

Some times i do wonder if i should've gone with something like the Akai MPK.  But then, the grass is always greener and generally the SL has done my really well for many years now!  I will be buying a new controller within the next year, and right now the Novation line up has nothing that appeals, and i've seen nothing from Novation concerning automap - i.e. how long will they guarantee to support it?! 2 years? 5?! 

This is quite an issue if you use a DAW which will not replace the automap plugin, as you will lose all plugin settings as a result if Automap no longer works on your OS.

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I have changed the sensitivity/velocity response on the drum pads Which now makes them a little more usable. I still think the best use I will have is using them as extra buttons as drum pads they are not. At least now with a little editing they are usable and actually trigger without excessive pressure. the touch pad does not have any sensitivity settings so remains a waste of space. 

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Just want to say I notice this black key noisiness too.  its not subtle.  I can't believe people haven't talked about this more.  The white keys are quite obviously hitting down on a softer surface in some way and the black keys are hitting something solid, which makes them rattle the entire keyboard frame.  Also the aftertouch on the white keys has a squishiness factor the black keys do not.  there is most definitely a design difference between the black and white keys.  its kind of annoying because when I'm playing, chords without black keys are squicksy and quiet.  Chords with black keys have a clunk down to them, and I'm not banging the keyboard either lest anyone try to suggest that is the problem.  This is fankly a design flaw.  Maybe I will lve with the keyboard anyway, it has a lot of positive qualities, but for all the raving people do about this keybed, that particular aspect is less then stellar.  Its still better then the other midi controller competition like Akai, maudio, etc..all of those midi controllers, even the rolands, suck in feel compared to this novation.  But I must say the clunky black keys are definitely buggin me and make for an inconsistent feel between white and black keys.

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That's the trouble with midi controllers, even though this is one of the best keybeds out there, they still aren't as good as proper dedicated synths/piano keys in my experience.  But then they are designed to be useable for synth and piano players i guess, so you normally get something in the middle, and built at a cost, and with removing the second screen on the Mk2, you can see Novation were trying to put this out as competitve as they could without compromising on the keys.

Still best in class for me, i have a Nektar Panorama and while it has a more piano like / weighted feel to it, i can't play as well as i can on the SL.  I think the only other contender is the Roland A-500 (!?) - but that's very much a synth action and you're not getting the huge amount of options like the SL for controllers etc.