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orkanoid
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SL MkII velocity curves

hi, i recently bought an SL MkII-61. i really like the versatility as a controller and all the editing possibilities. however i don't feel comfortable with the velocity sensitivity. tried all the different velocity curves from the edit menu but none of them felt natural. is there a way of editing the velocity curves further? (other than selecting one of loud1...quiet2 settings) i have a studiologic keyboard and never had to change any velocity settings on it. i didnt even have to check if it has such a feature. any help would be appreciated! (i use the SL MkII to control a yamaha motif rack, a k-station and various vst plugins)

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Can you notice the differences when going through the curve presets?  I've got in my mind that you have to save the settings first before they have any affect.

But i could be completely wrong on that too lol - I just remember having some kind of velocity issue with mine when i first got it.

You do have to hit these quite uncomfortably hard when playing acoustic pianos i find, that was the great thing about Logic when i used it you could increase the velocity on all notes played live.

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Me and one of my friends have the same problem with the OP and we save the settings always.Really weird.Both of us have in the past only yamaha synths.The keys are excellent but the velocity curve is little unnatural.  

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Hi, Please contact Novation Tech Support @ http://us.novationmusic.com/support/contact-support for further help.

Thanks. 

orkanoid
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thanks for the replies, the issue is not about writing the preset. it tried all velocity settings, the quiet ones are way too quiet and you have to beat the keyboard to get high velocity notes. i use loud2 or medium1 currently, but as i said they don't feel natural to me. maybe its about the arc of the velocity curve or something like that. anyway i'll contact tech support as mikenovation advised. hope it works :) 

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orkanoid wrote:

thanks for the replies, the issue is not about writing the preset. it tried all velocity settings, the quiet ones are way too quiet and you have to beat the keyboard to get high velocity notes. i use loud2 or medium1 currently, but as i said they don't feel natural to me. maybe its about the arc of the velocity curve or something like that. anyway i'll contact tech support as mikenovation advised. hope it works :) 

Orkanoid: Did yget ever get an answer from tech support regarding this topic?  if so, could you share it here please?

thanks

rkoch

 

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From Novation Tech Support via e-mail in answer to my question

August 20 , 2013

So officially your CANNOT edit the velocity curves non the SK MKii

Too bad.  Maybe in a future op-system update.

========= OFFICIAL EMAIL.========⬇

While the SL does allow you to change the velocity response by allowing you to select several different curves, the curves themselves cannot be edited.

Best Regards,
--
Matt Pliskin // Novation Technical Support

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I have this same problem. It's making this keyboard essentially unusable for me. I bought it to have the expanded capacity of the knobs and the functional improvements of automap, but whenever I try to play the keyboard I haven't been able to find a happy medium that allows me to play both soft and hard. This is especially noticeable when playing a piano patch or equivalent. I've never had this problem with midi keyboards before, including M-Audio and Roland products, regardless of cost. 

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Hi i have the same problems, had my SL MK2 49 for sale on ebay as i found it so unplayable. But i have come up with a solution if you use Logic X.

on the track your playing click midi FX and select modifier. set input event to velocity and assign to also to velocity. now set the scale to somwhere between 120% to 130% (or where you find best) and wow. finaly a keyboard i can play. Personaly i dont think the curves are that far wrong, its just the keyboard needs to be pressed so hard, so this method just adds 20% velocity on top rather than changing the vurve. But i really hope novation can include this feel in a firmware update, for example just one of the velocity curve settings like MED 2 to be a staight curve but just increace overall velocity 25% throughout the curve. If your not using Logic X i think there are similar midi FX in cubase, check this Sound on sound linkhttp://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun10/articles/qa0610_3.htm

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electricmessiah wrote:

Hi i have the same problems, had my SL MK2 49 for sale on ebay as i found it so unplayable. But i have come up with a solution if you use Logic X.on the track your playing click midi FX and select modifier. set input event to velocity and assign to also to velocity. now set the scale to somwhere between 120% to 130% (or where you find best) and wow. finaly a keyboard i can play. Personaly i dont think the curves are that far wrong, its just the keyboard needs to be pressed so hard, so this method just adds 20% velocity on top rather than changing the vurve. But i really hope novation can include this feel in a firmware update, for example just one of the velocity curve settings like MED 2 to be a staight curve but just increace overall velocity 25% throughout the curve. If your not using Logic X i think there are similar midi FX in cubase, check this Sound on sound linkhttp://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun10/articles/qa0610_3.htm

Thank you so much for this wonderful information! I don't think that I would have otherwise thought to use the MIDI FX.. but I would just like to ask you one question - which of the velocity curves do you use when using the boost? Do you stick with MED 2, or do you think that it would be beneficial to use of one of the louder curves in conjunction with the MIDI boost?

Thank you!

 

 

 

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I'm also having some velocity issues.  Played alongside my Roland board, the SL61MK2 does not feel right at any setting.  I hope a future firmware update can provide us a natural preset.

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HI   I have the same problem with my Remote SL 61.  I use in Ableton Live 9, an internal midi effect named VELOCITY. 

You have to put it before the any plugin. And there is some curves presets, but you can adjust some values.

LIVE 9 - OPEN MIDI CHANNEL. GO TO MIDI EFFECTS, INSERT THE VELOCITY, is the last one on the list, after insert your VST instrument.

Adjust, and enjoy it

Leo

VELOCITY LIVE 9 MIDI EFFECT
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i also spoke to customer support about this issue. the guy i spoke to said he uses the medium 2 setting and finds that perfect for him. I asked if there was any plans to fix this in an update and he said no.
I did mention that i'm not the only one who has an issue with the velocity curves and asked him to pass the info on their development team.

the modifier trick that electricmessiah posted above works fine. thanks for the time to make the post. 
I actually love the keyboard and i feel that this velocity issue is a shame. i mean come on its their flagship keyboard. usable velocity curves shouldnt be optional...

 

edit: may have been a little harsh there but yeah. would just like to add i have another couple of issues that i emailed them about yesterday. my queries were rpomptly responded to. gotta say anyone from novation reading this give your customer support guys a pat on the back. very efficient and helpful. regards paul

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I had a M-Audio Code 61 with me for 2 weeks and returned it precisely because of the velocity curves issue. The Code 61 has a good keybed, but connecting it - with a MIDI cable -, to my Korg Kronos 61 and playing piano sounds, I got sudden "jumps" in sound playing the Code 61 keybed than on the Kronos where everything plays smoothly.

So I was thinking of buying the Novation 61 SL MKII... and came across this thread... Everyone loves the MKII keybed feel, but the velocity curves issue continues... I work with Cubase AI8. Anyone knows a fix inside Cubase to solve this velocity issue, similar to the one on Logic and Ableton described above ? Thank you.

Eduardo

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You can use midi shape shifter plugin on any vst host to control velocity curves:- 

https://code.google.com/p/midi-shape-shifter/

 

Or, within cubase itself use the 'input transformer' to scale the velocity as required, you would use this to bring a 1-100 scale to 1-127 - meaning you don't have to really hit hard to get to the top velocities.

You can also set min/max velocities for each track on the track parameter panels.

 

To be honest though, you will adapt to it - it's not as bad as people make out, it's just getting to the very highest (127) velocity sometimes feels as though you have to hit un-naturally hard - depends on what kind of player you are - cause i find a real piano hardwork for example.  

In terms of the curve (i.e. the 'jump' you had with the Code) it's pretty reliable.

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Thank you skijumptoes.

I only have Cubase AI8. From Steinberg forums, it seems that the 'input transformer' option is only available in Cubase Artist which costs a lot (!)

Even Cubase 8 Elements doesn't seem to have the 'input transformer' option.

Can you confirm this ?

Thank you.

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Ah yes, you're right - then you would need to use a plugin like midi shape shifter then and place it in at the start of a rack on that track - you can use racks in AI8 i presume?

Also check if the track properties have a velocity scale on them, if so you can use that - the issue is normally hitting the top (127) velocity without having to hit too hard, raising the velocity level will reach that goal.

I've not used cubase for some time since moving to Logic so i'm a bit rusty on the specifics of AI8 etc.