Unlock multitimbral for Ultranova

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Audiowap
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Unlock multitimbral for Ultranova

Hello engineers Novation! Please unlock multitimbral mode for Ultranova in the next version of the OS.

I bought Ultranova in January 2015 for my birthday 30 years! In the synthesizer are all satisfied, except monotembre. It is very not easy to write and to find each other patches because of this. Sometimes recording the song takes a lot of time selecting patches and overwriting the audio tracks in the sequencer.

Let it be paid a Supplement, but it should be, I think, because this is Your only next level synth at the moment.

Recently looked synthesizer Waldorf blofeld the same price category. He has a little more polyphony - 25, but has on Board 16 multitembral patches. Maybe it is not good 25/16 = 1-2 voices on the patch with the maximum 16 timbral mode. But if you let Ultranova to do 4-8 multitembral patch (under each fader)? 18voices / 4tembre = 4.5 notes, and if the bass kick - monophonic instruments? If Ultranova will be multitimbral, there will be a large demand for it! Not let's look at the other synths ...

skijumptoes
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Wow never know they were 16 part multitimbral, that's an eye opener!  Obviously once you start using effects and unison modes there won't be many channels of polyphony, but even so, it's there to make use of .

I just wonder if the ultranova is much more detailed because the power of the dsp is going into a single voice, i.e. as it's not multitimbral you get a ton of matrix slots etc. for far better parameter editing, can the Waldorf compete on that front? As it sounds quite generic to me, there's gotta be a trade off somewhere.

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I don't know for the quality of the Blofeld, I've heard more good buzz than bad, but it has a similarly deep engine with however far less effects (2) (and people say these aren't all that good either) than the Ultranova. And no vocoder.

Effects is one of the first thing to go down when it comes to multitimbrality. The original Novation Supernova synths were renown for not having that problem, but they were far from cheap.

Multitimbrality also means complexity, to edit, control, perform with all that stuff. In the case of the Ultranova it also makes integration with the computer much more complex. You'd also probably want to get all these sounds out of the synth at the same time on different channels (Blofeld has only a stereo out).

You get the idea. For it to happen you'd need rewrite and rethink of the Ultranova on both the hardware and software sides, that's unlikely to happen. 

Novation choose quality operation, integration, single-part performance, sound, and effects over multitimbrality. Bit of a bummer but I think it's a good deal.

Also, for what it's worth, this is the number one complaint regarding the Ultranova. I'm pretty sure it's too late for Ultranova but maybe they'll address that in their next Nova synth, while still keeping what makes the Ultranova good. Hopefully.

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Yeah definetly that, i remember my old Roland workstation it was superb in solo mode, but put multi-timbral on, and suddenly all those effect parameters you have for a single voice has to be spread across for multiple voices... And sure enough the sound quality was much worse because no longer did each patch have it's own compressor/chorus/reverb etc.  And as you say it makes a big difference.

The ultra/mininova's definetly have a pretty decent effects engine and a great matrix to back it up, one can only imagine that if you're designing a synth to be multi-timbral it needs to be a part of its structure from the start, that is things like the effects are no longer a function of the final output, but an insert further back into the sound engine.

I would like to try one of of those blofields though, the little desktop thingy would control nicely with the SL etc. :)

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With regard to the effects processor. If you do not change it, you can do so in each effect was the entrance (wet\dry) from each multitimbral. In my opinion Ultranova it needs to be 4-8 multitimbral. Of course on each filter and ADSR envelope must be on each multitimbral. All depends on the power DSP processor, but 20 votes can be spread on 4 games, for 5 voices. Maybe the DSP processor has a power reserve if to reconsider the architecture of the operating program.

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Absolutely support this multitimbrality request!

 

The lack of multitimbrality is the main and actualy the only reason why I opted for Blofeld instead of Ultranova

Despite that Novation has excellent multitimbrality experience with Supernova, multitimbrality probably has been left out recently because marketing people figured out that most folks do not have an idea what the hell that multitimbrality is and also to match lowest possible price tag.

BUT

Multitimbrality is essential not only for layering sounds according to the key and/or velocity, but also ability to receive on separate midi channels is essential for MPE (multidimensional polyphonic expression) allowing polyphonic pitch bends and modulations from expressive controllers such as LinnStrument, Roli and others. For example here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkEFR0873lk on Virus I have same patch allocated over some first channels and play it multitimbraly from LinnStrument for polyphonic modulation and pitch slides. This also works on Blofeld, but not so well since on Blofeld only first four channels share both effects so it is limited to 4 MPE voices.

Anyway, I still hope some day to see at least 4...8 part multitimbral Ultranova or Supernova reincarnation addressing the sound editing and control requirements of today.

skijumptoes
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#StartSomething  ;)

 

...maybe. 

tonalaxis
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skijumptoes wrote:

#StartSomething  ;) ...maybe. 

 

Circuit has Nova engine synths  under the hood apparently, lacks any form of editing except for certain things using set modifiers though. I hope they add a way to load/edit your own patches on in the future.

 

 

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I would happily accept multitimbral with less instrument power like a shared effects chain - a "multitimbral mode" where you lost some of the power of individual voices but got 3 or 4 seperate channels. Unlikely to happen since it would likely require new firmware from the ground up.